Showing posts with label Torture. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Torture. Show all posts

Wednesday, July 2, 2008

sigh... Christopher Hitchens Waterboards Himself

As someone else who has "attended" SERE training, I read with interest this account of Christopher Hitchens having himself waterboarded.

The "official lie" about waterboarding, Hitchens says, is that it "simulates the feeling of drowning". In fact, "you are drowning - or rather, being drowned".

He rehearses the intellectual arguments, both for ("It's nothing compared to what they do to us") and against ("It opens a door that can't be closed"). But the Hitch's thoroughly empirical conclusion is simple. As Vanity Fair's title puts it: "Believe me, it's torture." -- The Guardian
To which I would reply:
NO SHIT SHERLOCK

If any member of congress would like to experience this, please let me know I still remember some of the dastardly things the dirty commies were going to do to us.

Torture it's the new black.
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Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Helping The Chinese Torture

U.S. military personnel at Guantanamo Bay allegedly softened up detainees at the request of Chinese intelligence officials who had come to the island facility to interrogate the men -- or they allowed the Chinese to dole out the treatment themselves, according to claims in a new government report.

Buried in a Department of Justice report released Tuesday are new allegations about a 2002 arrangement between the United States and China, which allowed Chinese intelligence to visit Guantanamo and interrogate Chinese Uighurs held there. --ABCNews.com

Wow, helping the Chinese torture. We've come a long way baby... Just 8 short years ago we were totally against torture. We constantly harassed the Chinese about their torturing dissidents and now... They grow up so fast. John Yoo must be so proud. Not to mention the members of our armed forces who did the actual "softening up", they must be proud of their service and the uniforms they wear. God Bless America.
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Monday, April 21, 2008

Gitmo Torture Victim's Records Lost


Now thats screwed up. What kind of a Gulag are we running down there? To have your "disappeared identity" be disappeared.

The former head of interrogations at Guantánamo Bay found that records of an al-Qaida suspect tortured at the prison camp were mysteriously lost by the US military, according to a new book by one of Britain's top human rights lawyers.

Retired general Michael Dunlavey, who supervised Guantánamo for eight months in 2002, tried to locate records on Mohammed al-Qahtani, accused by the US of plotting the 9/11 attacks, but found they had disappeared. -- The Guardian

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Saturday, April 12, 2008

Team Torture!


In 2002 and continuing into 2003, deep down in the bowels of the White House, inside the dark and serious White House situation room these pseudo serious people got together, probably at the request of Dick Cheney, to discuss torture. You can almost hear him snarl: "And while we are at it we can't be handling these people with kid gloves, we can't afford to baby these people, Mr President we need to discuss some enhanced interrogation techniques, this way we get out ahead of this thing ya know, stake out the ground as it were before some hot heads go willy nilly torturing...err, i mean interrogating people. If we give them guidance it will be better, leading the way is the smart move here..."

How titillating it must have been for them. Honored, I am sure, to have to help decide which barbaric 15th century techniques were to be used by the United States in its quest for justice. These meetings must have been absurd, which techniques did they throw out? And who didn't like the rack? That's one that didn't make the cut. I presume there was levity, or at least what passes for it with these humorless people. "I will tell you what's torture, this coffee, whew!" hardy har har... Did they have some kind of stupid code name for this group? The Torquemada 12 or something, or was just a mundane "Team Torture". We have heard of all the principals who were there, Cheney, Rice, Powell, Ashcroft, Tenet, and my favorite, Rumsfeld. But what staffers were there? was Karen Hughes there? Hadley? Libby? Somebody was there taking notes and fawning over our brave leaders.

I have to agree with Digby though, the most shocking thing this weekend is the complete silence from the corporate media on this. 6 of the top people in the Bush administration were meeting for over a year, in the White House, to discuss torture techniques and the President knew and approved of it. But you can go to any of the news websites cbsnews.com, abcnews.com, etc and you wont find the story, well, maybe if you dig a little. Google News is a perfect example, it's an aggregate of the online news, even if you drill down to "U.S.", and/or Top Stories, its not even mentioned. There are endless stories on how some orange juice drinking politician said some Americans are bitter. I will tell you what is bitter, the taste in my mouth.

It's just bizarre, and exactly what Bush wanted when he put this out with the trash on Friday evening. It seems they had company in the situation room, at least in spirit, the U.S. news media must have been there, giggling along with the rest of them. Incredible.




Digby's Media Contact List





UPDATE: Mrs. Robinson correctly points out that ABC News actually broke this story, but you couldn't tell that from their home page!

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Friday, April 11, 2008

Team Torture!

I suppose LM will have to come up with some graphic for these fucking losers:

George W Bush
"Dick" Cheney
Condoleezza Rice
Donald Rumsfeld
Colin Powell
George Tenet
John Ashcroft


"Enhanced Interrogation"? No, sorry it's not a freaking dish-soap. The word is torture. These "techniques" are the same methods that have been around for ages. Ages.

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Wednesday, March 5, 2008

In Our Names

PHOTO DELETED.

The Evil of Abu Ghraib.

The GNB Stylebook calls for most longer stories to open with:

  • SLUG
  • PHOTO
  • HEADLINE
Not this one.

There are ten photos. I want to throw up.

There is a video as well. I want to cry. I am suppressing tears as I write.

They did this in our name. Children. Boys and girls with guns tortured prisoners, beating them with fists, burning them with cigarettes and electricity, forcing them to do sex acts which were not only perverse but were deep moral abominations before God. These soldier-children threatened men with death and with dogs while fathers and men perhaps enemies, perhaps simply swept up in sweeps, turned in for revenge or religious reasons, or there by bad luck, for no real reason at all -- the men cowered naked or died. These men were forced to roll in human shit and pose covered in shit for the amusement of their captors who took photos. Even death was not an escape as our soldier girls and boys posed with tortured mutilated corpses, grinning at the lens.

And while it is not in this set of photos, we know from the Senate there are many thousands of photos and hundreds of hours of film, classified top-secret to prevent you and I from seeing them, of our soldiers raping boys in front of their fathers, and sexually assaulting daughters. These children were sent home, dishonored in a culture where sexual dishonor equals death.

Our soldiers did this. In our names.

I CAUTION YOU IN THE STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS... the photos are horrific to view. They will remain with you as long as your memory works properly. There is also a film, in its own way, better perhaps, but even more real as it puts the photos in a larger context and ads dubbed in sound.

It has been months at least, since I've had a medic flashback. I'm partially in one right now as I type. If there is any reason you should not see these photos, do not. They show human beings torturing other human beings, posing with the dead, committing war crimes.

There is a full article associated with the photos and film. I recommend reading it.

Article and film. (Film NSFW under any circumstances. Violently disturbing.)
Photos. (Absolutely NSFW under any circumstances. Violently disturbing.)

You may read the article without seeing either film or photos.

From the article:
Wired Magazine

Zimbardo conducted a now-famous experiment at Stanford University in 1971, involving students who posed as prisoners and guards. Five days into the experiment, Zimbardo halted the study when the student guards began abusing the prisoners, forcing them to strip naked and simulate sex acts.

His book, The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil, explores how a "perfect storm" of conditions can make ordinary people commit horrendous acts.

He spoke with Wired.com about what Abu Ghraib and his prison study can teach us about evil and why heroes are, by nature, social deviants.

Philip Zimbardo: Those sets of things are found any time you really see an evil situation occurring, whether it's Rwanda or Nazi Germany or the Khmer Rouge.

Wired: But not everyone at Abu Ghraib responded to the situation in the same way. So what makes one person in a situation commit evil acts while another in the same situation becomes a whistle-blower?

Zimbardo: There's no answer, based on what we know about a person, that we can predict whether they're going to be a hero whistle-blower or the brutal guard. We want to believe that if I was in some situation [like that], I would bring with it my usual compassion and empathy. But you know what? When I was the superintendent of the Stanford prison study, I was totally indifferent to the suffering of the prisoners, because my job as prison superintendent was to focus on the guards.

As principal [scientific] investigator [of the experiment], my job was to care about what happened to everybody because they were all under my experimental control. But once I switched to being the prison superintendent, I was a different person. It's hard to believe that, but I was transformed.

Wired: Do you think it made any difference that the Abu Ghraib guards were reservists rather than active duty soldiers?

Zimbardo: It made an enormous difference, in two ways. They had no mission-specific training, and they had no training to be in a combat zone. Secondly, the Army reservists in a combat zone are the lowest form of animal life within the military hierarchy. They're not real soldiers, and they know this. In Abu Ghraib the only thing lower than the army reservist MPs were the prisoners.

Wired: So it's a case of people who feel powerless in their lives seizing power over someone else.

Zimbardo: Yes, victims become victimizers. In Nazi concentration camps, the Jewish capos were worse than the Nazis, because they had to prove that they deserved being in this position.

Wired: You've said that the way to prevent evil actions is to teach the "banality of kindness" -- that is, to get society to exemplify ordinary people who engage in extraordinary moral actions. How do you do this?

Zimbardo: If you can agree on a certain number of things that are morally wrong, then one way to counteract them is by training kids. There are some programs, starting in the fifth grade, which get kids to think about the heroic mentality, the heroic imagination.

To be a hero you have to take action on behalf of someone else or some principle and you have to be deviant in your society, because the group is always saying don't do it; don't step out of line. If you're an accountant at Arthur Andersen, everyone who is doing the defrauding is telling you, "Hey, be one of the team."

Heroes have to always, at the heroic decisive moment, break from the crowd and do something different. But a heroic act involves a risk. If you're a whistle-blower you're going to get fired, you're not going to get promoted, you're going to get ostracized. And you have to say it doesn't matter.

Most heroes are more effective when they're social heroes rather than isolated heroes. A single person or even two can get dismissed by the system. But once you have three people, then it's the start of an opposition.

So what I'm trying to promote is not only the importance of each individual thinking "I'm a hero" and waiting for the right situation to come along in which I will act on behalf of some people or some principle, but also, "I'm going to learn the skills to influence other people to join me in that heroic action."

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Yes, you may read the article, without viewing the film or seeing the photos.

I have to go be ill now.
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Tuesday, February 26, 2008

Battlestar Galactica Interview



Concurring Opinions Interviews BSG Creators

Roughly one hour of on-point interview (QuickTime) is available with Ron Moore and David Eick, creators of Battlestar Galactica.

Recommended for BSG fans ONLY. Everyone else, watch BSG first, or this will ruin the series for you. See my comments below.

Concurring Opinions

We are thrilled to offer readers of Concurring Opinions an interview with Ron Moore and David Eick, creators of the hit television show Battlestar Galactica. Daniel Solove, Deven Desai, and David Hoffman ask the questions. We would like to thank Professor John Ip for suggesting some of the torture questions. Our interview lasts a little over an hour.

Our goal was to explore some of the themes of the show in a deeper manner than many traditional interviews. Ron and David graciously agreed to give us an hour of their time, and we had a fascinating conversation with them.

Our interview is structured in three parts. Part I, available in two files (see the end of this post to download), focuses on the issues of legal systems and morality. It examines the lawyers and trials in the show. It also examines how torture is depicted, as well as how the humans must balance civil liberties and security.

Part II examines politics and commerce. It explores how the cylon attack affected the humans' political system, and it examines how commerce works in the fleet.

Part III examines issues related to cylons, such as the humans' treatment of cylons, how robots should be treated by the law, how the cylons govern themselves politically. Additionally, Part III explores the religious issues involved in the show.

The show is heavily influenced by modern events, especially terrorism, war, and torture. In a time of emergency, how should we balance security and liberty? How do we deal with enemies who may be burrowed in among us? How does a society decimated in a war reconstitute its political, economic, and legal systems?

Battlestar Galactica was honored with a prestigious Peabody Award and twice as an official selection of the American Film Institute top television programs for 2005 and 2006.

PART I-A: LEGAL SYSTEMS
Topics: The legal system, lawyers, trials, and tribunals.
Length: 11 minutes, 51 seconds
File Size: Approximately 11 MB

PART I-B: TORTURE, NECESSITY, AND MORALITY
Topics: Torture, necessity vs. moral principles, deference to the military
Length: 18 minutes, 1 second
File Size: Approximately 16.5 MB

PART II: POLITICS AND ECONOMY
Topics: Politics and commerce
Length: 13 minutes, 57 seconds
File Size: Approximately 13 MB

PART III: CYLONS
Topics: Cylons and humans, cylon rights, cylon society and governance, religion
Length: 16 minutes, 15 seconds
File Size: Approximately 15 MB

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I think Battlestar is the best program on television today, possibly the best drama I've every personally watched on television. And yes, I include Buffy the Vampire Slayer and The West Wing. Possibly Hill St. Blues was this good, in how it got people to care so deeply about a serialized multi-character single-camera show. But BSG is the culmination of decades of television writing.

It really is that good.

One word of caution for those of you whom have not seen Battlestar. I strongly urge you to not:
  • read any of the comments for this post, and
  • watch any and I do mean any repeats or reruns.
Just order Season One and watch from the beginning, starting with the mini-series -- which takes a little bit to get going, but then gets going and never stops. By the time you're two or three episodes into Season 1, you'll be completely hooked. Don't even get me started how by year three, they have TWO protagonists, the humans and the cylons, and you're genuinely uncertain whom to root for. That is GREAT writing and story telling.

However...

My point is, Battlestar, much more so than most shows, is serial. There are slow builds, character development, arcs, reveals, and surprises which will leave you in tears, anguished, shocked or stunned to your core. Should you watch the series out of order even for one episode in a season (depending on the episode), let alone skip seasons, an enormous part of the enjoyment of the series will be ruined. This is NOT a series to be spoiled for.

People in comments will talk about the series and that's fine. No doubt the creators will talk about the episodes to date, possibly even the final season to come. Go watch the series first, in order. It's worth everything you put into it.

The fourth and final season of Battlestar Galactica starts Friday, April 4, 10 ET/PT.

To Order:
Season 1 (Includes the mini-series)
Season 2.0 (Episodes 1-10)
Season 2.5 (Episodes 11-20)
Season 3 (Coming soon)
Battlestar Galactica: Razor (TV movie from Fall 2007)

h/t The Volokh Conspiracy
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008

John McCain, Waterboard Supporter


Shame on you John McCain.

Mr. McCain, a former prisoner of war, has consistently voiced opposition to waterboarding and other methods that critics say is a form torture. But the Republicans, confident of a White House veto, did not mount the challenge. Mr. McCain voted “no” on Wednesday afternoon.


You know better. The Vietnamese couldn't break you, but you have sold your own self out in search of power. There is a lesson in your depraved grasping for the rest of us. We have to fight these battles of character and courage every day. Yesterday doesn't count.
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Tuesday, February 5, 2008

Bush personally Authorizes Torture

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CIA director on Tuesday publicly named for the first time the three suspected al Qaeda detainees who were subjected to the harsh interrogation technique of waterboarding.

"It was used on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. It was used on Abu Zubayda, and it was used on [Abd al-Rahim] al-Nashiri," CIA Director Michael Hayden told a Senate hearing. -- CNN
And Bush signed off on it personally. Information gained? Bubkis. What coincidence this was released today.

How many times do we know categorically Bush has lied?
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Thursday, December 20, 2007

Icelandic Beauty Chained, Held, Tortured by Homeland Security at JFK


This is exactly how we can expect to increase our tourism dollars. Come to America,

Experience the Terror!

That can be our new tourism tag line...
During the last twenty-four hours I have probably experienced the greatest humiliation to which I have ever been subjected. During these last twenty-four hours I have been handcuffed and chained, denied the chance to sleep, been without food and drink and been confined to a place without anyone knowing my whereabouts, imprisoned.

This woman foolishly thought she could come and spend some Euro in New York. A little shopping trip. Unfortunately she hadn't realized that a computer somewhere said she overstayed a visa years ago. She's a dirty foreigner so... hilarity ensued...
I was photographed and fingerprinted. I was asked questions which I felt had nothing to do with the issue at hand. I was forbidden to contact anyone to advise of my predicament and although I was invited at the outset to contact the Icelandic consul or embassy, that invitation was later withdrawn. I don't know why.

I was then made to wait while they sought further information, and sat on a chair before the authority for 5 hours. I saw the officials in this section handle other cases and it was clear that these were men anxious to demonstrate their power. Small kings with megalomania. I was careful to remain completely cooperative, for I did not yet believe that they planned to deport me because of my "crime".

When 5 hours had passed and I had been awake for 24 hours, I was told that they were waiting for officials who would take me to a kind of waiting room
. There I would be given a bed to rest in, some food and I would be searched. What they thought they might find I cannot possibly imagine. Finally guards appeared who transported me to the new place. I saw the bed as if in a mirage, for I was absolutely exhausted.

What turned out was something else. I was taken to another office exactly like the one where I had been before and once again along wait ensued. In all, it turned out to be 5 hours. At this office all my things were taken from me. I succeeded in sending a single sms to worried relatives and friends when I was granted a bathroom break. After that the cell phone was taken from me. After I had been sitting for 5 hours I was told that they were now waiting for guards who would take me to a place where I could rest and eat. Then I was placed in a cubicle which looked like an operating room. Attached to the walls were 4 steel plates, probably intended to serve as bed and a toilet.

I was exhausted, tired and hungry. I didn't understand the officials' conduct, for they were treating me like a very dangerous criminal. Soon thereafter I was removed from the cubicle and two armed guards placed me up against a wall. A chain was fastened around my waist and I was handcuffed to the chain. Then my legs were placed in chains. I asked for permission to make a telephone call but they refused. So secured, I was taken from the airport terminal in full sight of everybody. I have seldom felt so bad, so humiliated and all because I had taken a longer vacation than allowed under the law.

She didn't know it but they were trying to 'break' her. It wasn't by accident that she was not allowed to rest, and that they kept telling her she would be able to eat and sleep any time now. Instead her physical situation got worse. This is all technique. Its part of the process that every Gitmo detainee would recognize right away. Isolate, Shock, and Break. Luckily Icelanders are made of stern stuff. Although If they had more time, she would have broken. Everyone does. Someone should send her one of those Limbaugh T-Shirts, "Experience Club Gitmo". She did.

This is the kind of treatment that any visitor to the U.S. can now expect. Imagine your skin is brown and you are traveling with your children.

Lets see how low the tourism industry drops now. I wonder which airline is going to fail first?
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Thursday, December 13, 2007

Waterboarding Effectiveness Questioned


WASHINGTON—The assertion by a former CIA interrogator that the tactic known as waterboarding was effective in shaking potentially life-saving information from a leading terrorist has infused new passion into the debate over torture, both in the presidential campaign and in government.

By tactic they mean "torture technique".
Retired CIA agent John Kiriakou made the rounds of network and cable news programs Monday and Tuesday describing how waterboarding, an interrogation technique that makes a prisoner believe he is in imminent danger of drowning, had prompted Al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah to provide critical information after he had held out for weeks.

The retired agent's comments have revived one of the toughest questions in the torture debate: What if using distasteful, even repugnant, tactics is the most effective way to get hardened terrorists to reveal information that could save American lives?


Okay, here we go again. Look this guy is completely talking out of his ass. Since Kiriakou wasn't involved in the torture/debriefing of this nutjob Zubaydah then he would have no knowledge of what happened with the insane ramblings they recorded, he wasn't even there. In the unlikely event that Zubaydah actually blurted out some useful information this Trojan Horse supposed Ex-CIA agent Kiriakou would have no idea of its use in the field. Its called compartmentalization He would have no idea if field agents already had this "valuable" information. If he was one of the field agents he wouldn't know where the intell came from.

This guy is completely full of shit and it's 6 to 5 he still draws a paycheck from Langley.


UPDATE: I meant to post the link to the article "Agent's assertions revive torture debate". Which is complete bullshit and the Chicago Tribute should be ashamed at what a piece of crap it is. There is no debate. Torture doesn't work. period. end of statement.
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Saturday, November 17, 2007

Alan Dershowitz, knucklehead and effectively pro-torture


Now, I understand that an ethical well-natured blogger is all about reasoned argument and completely against name-calling. However, readers of this blog know we are actually able to do both here to varying degrees. More of the name-calling then the reasoned argument, but whatever! Dershowitz is having a bit of a dust up with Larisa Alexandrovna over at the Huffington Post. I really can't follow what Dershowitz is going on about... However, Larisa points out a statement he made about torture while at the same time condemning the use of it, even though he thinks the democrats should be pro-torture, but also be against it... or something. (Like I said, I really can't follow it.) Anyway here is the quote:

There are some who claim that torture is a nonissue because it never works - it only produces false information. This is simply not true, as evidenced by the many decent members of the French Resistance who, under Nazi torture, disclosed the locations of their closest friends and relatives. -- Alan Dershowitz

He made the claim in the Wall Street Journal where he implores the democrats to be TOUGH© on Defense. Seems an odd venue to preach to democrats on, but since it was a silly-assed argument anyway, who cares. Not my point.

I wanted to address the thinking on torture here. Yes, the Nazi's were able to get names of people by pulling fingernails out with pliers and burning people and even waterboarding them. Most of the names they got were no good and the Nazi's tortured and killed a number of innocent people. However, there is a larger point here and this is where lunkheads like Dershowitz (oops, sorry) should stop trying to advise people on defense, counter-terrorism, and intelligence gathering. They just sound stupid, morally lost, and piss off the professionals.

When the S.S. started to torture people, 3 things happened. First, the resistance toughened up. They grew closer, and more people joined. Regular people were willing to turn a blind eye to operations they happened upon and provide more assistance. Secondly they started forming cell structures. So that if one member was caught they would not risk exposing many people and operations. Lastly, and from a intelligence aspect this was the biggy, the overall intelligence gathering information pipelines slowed to a crawl. Information was very hard to come by for the Nazi's. The resistance was able to continue to operate in France and played a major role in the D-Day landings. Torture didn't work. It had the opposite effect of stunting intelligence gathering overall. It also had an effect on U.S. troops after D-Day, who feared being captured and fought harder rather than surrender when cut off or surrounded.

All in all it was bad technique and provided little immediate value and had a long term negative effect on intelligence gathering operations.

So, Dershowitz, shut your pie hole unless you know what you are talking about. Dumbass.
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TASER :: It's Good For You...


Wow, this is some spectacular doublespeak, marketing bullshit and complete disengenuousness and it requires a complete disconnect from reality and commonsense to believe it. In order to obscure the fact that their product is increasingly killing people TASER wrote a press release.

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Nov. 16, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- TASER International, Inc. (Nasdaq:TASR), a market leader in advanced electronic control devices, released the following statement regarding the mid-October confrontation between Mr. Robert Dziekanski and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police at the Vancouver airport. An amateur video of the incident that was released earlier this week has received sensational coverage from the media with many reports drawing an unsubstantiated and uninformed conclusion as to the cause of Mr. Dziekanski's death.

Uhm... yeah... It was a sensational death by TASER! So, should the reporting have been droll and sardonic maybe?

My uninformed conclusion was that they TASER'ed that poor bastard to death.

The video of the incident at the Vancouver airport indicates that the subject was continuing to fight well after the TASER application. This continuing struggle could not be possible if the subject died as a result of the TASER device electrical current causing cardiac arrest. His continuing struggle is proof that the TASER device was not the cause of his death.

That was the part I was warning you about. See, I think what they are saying is that he just happened to be also dying of a heart attack at the same time he was being wracked with pain from the application of 1,000 kilovolts of electricity. What a coincidence!
We are taken aback by the number of media outlets that have irresponsibly published conclusive headlines blaming the TASER device and / or the law enforcement officers involved as the cause of death before completion of the investigation. These sensationalistic media reports completely ignore the earmark symptoms of excited delirium shown in the video

Riiiight... Why blame the TASER, he clearly had 'excited delirum'. Which everyone knows is the #1 cause of heart attacks in police brutality detention cases. Excited Delirium, I don't even know what the fuck that is, and I am also pretty sure sensationalistic isn't a word. I wonder how much government money TASER gets? Maybe they should hire a copywriter. I suppose next they are going to tell me that it's good for me, helps cure excema or something.
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Tuesday, November 6, 2007

Bush official: Okay to torture U.S. soldiers


The U.K's Guardian held a debate between Condi Rice's top lawyer John Bellinger at the State Department and Phillipe Sands a law professor from University College London recently.

Mr Bellinger made his remarks during a Guardian debate with Philippe Sands QC, professor of international law at University College London. Mr Sands asked whether he could imagine any circumstances in which waterboarding could be justified on an American national by a foreign intelligence service. "One would have to apply the facts to the law to determine whether any technique, whatever happened, would cause severe physical pain or suffering," Mr Bellinger said. -- via harpers.org/NoComment

In other words, sure why not. If its legal for us to do it then as long as it wasn't too severe, no problem!

Here is a link to a podcast of the debate guardian.co.uk

The senior legal adviser to the Secretary of State of the United States is declaring that provided there are limits, its OK to torture U.S. troops. I wonder how the Pentagon feels about this? I am pretty sure I know how the troops would feel about it.

Here are the ways torture is illegal:
  • The Federal Anti-Torture Act

  • The Federal War Crimes Act (which, even as amended by the Military Commissions Act, bans acts such as waterboarding)

  • Federal criminal assault laws (which, under the PATRIOT Act, apply to all assaults by or against Americans on or in overseas facilities designated for the use of the federal government)

  • The McCain Amendment in the Detainee Treatment Act

  • The Senate-ratified Convention Against Torture

  • The Senate-ratified Geneva Conventions (particularly Common Article 3, which prohibits torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of detainees)

And... plain old common fucking decency and sense. I am living in crazy land.
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Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Mukasey refuses to answer Waterboarding question

In a written response to questions from Senate Democrats today, Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey refused to explicitly say whether he believed waterboarding to be torture. In the four-page letter, Mukasey called the interrogation technique “over the line” and “repugnant” on “a personal basis,” but added that he would need the “actual facts and circumstances” to strike a “legal opinion”:

Hypotheticals are different from real life and in any legal opinion the actual facts and circumstances are critical.

CNN’s Ed Henry notes that with his “facts and circumstances” hedge, “essentially Michael Mukasey is dodging the question of whether legally waterboarding is torture.”
-- ThinkProgress.org


Well, I know a few techniques that might loosen his tongue.
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Tuesday, October 23, 2007

FBI Tortures Innocent Civilians


This is what happens when the children take over the country. I swear, all these people shat their pants on 9/11 and never recovered. The stench is becoming unbearable.

Right after 9/11 this Egyptian fella, Abdallah Higazy, was staying at a hotel in New York. The hotel was evacuated because everyone was panicking of security. The maid found a radio in the closet. A UHF radio, the type used to speak to aircraft and listen to the exciting jibber jabber that goes on at air shows.

The hotel contacts the FBI field office in New York. They track down and arrest Higazy for being involved with the 9/11 hijackings. They decide the only way to found out the truth is to torture the guy. They work on this guy relentlessly. They tell him that his family will be tortured in Egypt. They mention torture similar to what the Saddam Hussein conducts. (I thought that was a nice touch.) Higazy knowing full well the extent of the fun and games that Egyptian Security Forces will go to he decides to spare his family the pliers and blowtorch treatment and confesses.

Chalk one up for the FBI, nice work boys! They probably were falling all over themselves deciding who would get to be the one who told President Bush they caught a dirty stinking terrorist, right there in New York City.

Meanwhile, time passes, congress starts ripping the constitution into shreds with the worthless PATRIOT Act. The hotel gets a phone call. A commercial airline pilot was staying at the hotel and is trying to track down something he left behind. His air to ground radio. Do they have anything like that in the lost and found box?

Oops. Sorry about that. Good thing they didn't actually send the goons for his wife and kids in Egypt. Whew!

Okay, now it gets weird. Higazy has the gall to be pissed! The nerve of the guy. Anyway, he decides to sue the hotel and the FBI agent who beat coerced the confession out of him. (It not being possible to sue the government.) The decision from Court of Appeals hits the government website like all of these things and then of course is quickly deleted. Top Secret don't ya know. A blogger posts about it and the court actually contacts the blogger and asks them to remove it because it's classified. I am going to try that on my wife, sorry honey can't tell you how I screwed up the laptop, its classified just how stupid I am.

The story is from blogger Steve Bergstein who picked up on the story.

Clearly this is reason #137 why you don't torture. The value of information you get is shit. Torture doesn't work. I don't know how many times I have to say it. This isn't an episode of 24. This isn't a video game.

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